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Distributed Supercomputer Mind.Forth AI
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Mentifex
2010-03-05 23:01:47 UTC
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The Netizen "Keyboard Cowboy" has yesterday launched

http://groups.google.com/group/distrubuted-mindforth

for discussion of a distributed and parallel
representation of the Mind.Forth ideas.

Mentifex
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David Mitchell
2010-03-06 07:47:31 UTC
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Post by Mentifex
The Netizen "Keyboard Cowboy" has yesterday launched
http://groups.google.com/group/distrubuted-mindforth
for discussion of a distributed and parallel representation of the
Mind.Forth ideas.
Just in case you're unfamiliar with "Mentifex", don't bother: the guy's a
nutjob.

Google him for more info.

Annoyingly, if he'd spent as much time actually /working on/ his ideas as
he has telling everyone he's solved the problem, he might have even made
some progress .

But I somehow doubt it...
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Don Stockbauer
2010-03-06 12:39:11 UTC
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On Mar 6, 1:47 am, David Mitchell
Post by David Mitchell
Post by Mentifex
The Netizen "Keyboard Cowboy" has yesterday launched
http://groups.google.com/group/distrubuted-mindforth
for discussion of a distributed and parallel representation of the
Mind.Forth ideas.
Just in case you're unfamiliar with "Mentifex", don't bother: the guy's a
nutjob.
Google him for more info.
Annoyingly, if he'd spent as much time actually /working on/ his ideas as
he has telling everyone he's solved the problem, he might have even made
some progress .
But I somehow doubt it...
Hasn't the Global Brain made AI moot? I mean, why bother to try to
make machines smart when we've already got a world system locked in
sextillions of times better than having "smart" machines running
around. "Smart" machines? Why not waste your time trying to make
smart trees. Sheesh.

Have a nice day. Examine your religion and see if it's the true one
or not.
Don Stockbauer
2010-03-06 13:00:59 UTC
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Post by Don Stockbauer
On Mar 6, 1:47 am, David Mitchell
Post by David Mitchell
Post by Mentifex
The Netizen "Keyboard Cowboy" has yesterday launched
http://groups.google.com/group/distrubuted-mindforth
for discussion of a distributed and parallel representation of the
Mind.Forth ideas.
Just in case you're unfamiliar with "Mentifex", don't bother: the guy's a
nutjob.
Google him for more info.
Annoyingly, if he'd spent as much time actually /working on/ his ideas as
he has telling everyone he's solved the problem, he might have even made
some progress .
But I somehow doubt it...
Hasn't the Global Brain made AI moot?  I mean, why bother to try to
make machines smart when we've already got a world system locked in
sextillions of times better than having "smart" machines running
around.  "Smart" machines?  Why not waste your time trying to make
smart trees.  Sheesh.
Have a nice day.  Examine your religion and see if it's the true one
or not.
Prove the Global Bran? Come on now. Too big a task due to its
magnificence. Why not tell me to make the galaxy spin around the
other way? Why not tell me to halt the Big Bang and create the Big
Crunch overnight? Sheesh. It's a power thing. Telling your hated
conversational opponent to do the impossible.
David Mitchell
2010-03-06 14:41:09 UTC
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Post by Don Stockbauer
Post by Don Stockbauer
On Mar 6, 1:47 am, David Mitchell
Post by David Mitchell
Post by Mentifex
The Netizen "Keyboard Cowboy" has yesterday launched
http://groups.google.com/group/distrubuted-mindforth
for discussion of a distributed and parallel representation of the
Mind.Forth ideas.
Just in case you're unfamiliar with "Mentifex", don't bother: the
guy's a nutjob.
Google him for more info.
Annoyingly, if he'd spent as much time actually /working on/ his
ideas as he has telling everyone he's solved the problem, he might
have even made some progress .
But I somehow doubt it...
Hasn't the Global Brain made AI moot?  I mean, why bother to try to
make machines smart when we've already got a world system locked in
sextillions of times better than having "smart" machines running
around.  "Smart" machines?  Why not waste your time trying to make
smart trees.  Sheesh.
Have a nice day.  Examine your religion and see if it's the true one or
not.
Prove the Global Bran? Come on now. Too big a task due to its
magnificence. Why not tell me to make the galaxy spin around the other
way? Why not tell me to halt the Big Bang and create the Big Crunch
overnight? Sheesh. It's a power thing. Telling your hated
conversational opponent to do the impossible.
Hi Dan,

Either you appear to be arguing with yourself, or someone's borrowed your
identity.
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MarkWills
2010-03-06 16:50:29 UTC
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On Mar 6, 2:41 pm, David Mitchell
Post by David Mitchell
Post by Don Stockbauer
On Mar 6, 1:47 am, David Mitchell
Post by David Mitchell
Post by Mentifex
The Netizen "Keyboard Cowboy" has yesterday launched
http://groups.google.com/group/distrubuted-mindforth
for discussion of a distributed and parallel representation of the
Mind.Forth ideas.
Just in case you're unfamiliar with "Mentifex", don't bother: the
guy's a nutjob.
Google him for more info.
Annoyingly, if he'd spent as much time actually /working on/ his
ideas as he has telling everyone he's solved the problem, he might
have even made some progress .
But I somehow doubt it...
Hasn't the Global Brain made AI moot?  I mean, why bother to try to
make machines smart when we've already got a world system locked in
sextillions of times better than having "smart" machines running
around.  "Smart" machines?  Why not waste your time trying to make
smart trees.  Sheesh.
Have a nice day.  Examine your religion and see if it's the true one or
not.
Prove the Global Bran?  Come on now.  Too big a task due to its
magnificence.  Why not tell me to make the galaxy spin around the other
way?  Why not tell me to halt the Big Bang and create the Big Crunch
overnight?  Sheesh.  It's a power thing.  Telling your hated
conversational opponent to do the impossible.
Hi Dan,
Either you appear to be arguing with yourself, or someone's borrowed your
identity.
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rich12345
2010-03-06 17:25:38 UTC
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On Mar 6, 6:41 am, David Mitchell
 It's a power thing.  Telling your hated
Post by Don Stockbauer
conversational opponent to do the impossible.
Hi Dan,
Either you appear to be arguing with yourself, or someone's
borrowed your identity.
He's his own hated conversational opponent,
and so is he.
Wolfgang Lorenz
2010-03-08 04:03:28 UTC
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Post by Don Stockbauer
Hasn't the Global Brain made AI moot?
So you are saying that when I search on YouTube for:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=edsinger

and get "Deadly Prank backfires on EDSinger AKA Cassandra! Jokes on you!
ha ha ha" as the first match, that it was the Global Brain who took over
the mind of that VampiricSpector guy and caused him to upload that video
to YouTube and name it that way?
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Wolfgang
Mentifex
2010-03-06 23:04:35 UTC
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 > The Netizen "Keyboard Cowboy" has yesterday launched
 >
 > http://groups.google.com/group/distrubuted-mindforth
 >
 > for discussion of a distributed and parallel
 > representation of the Mind.Forth ideas.
Hello Arthur,
AFAIK you've written a version in JavaScript as well.
Is there's an online demo hosted?
http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/AiMind.html

http://mentifex.virtualentity.com/userman.html
Regards,
Joachim
Ich bedanke mich.

Arthur
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http://doi.acm.org/10.1145/307824.307853
http://doi.acm.org/10.1145/1052883.1052885
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Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
2010-03-07 00:12:28 UTC
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Post by Mentifex
Post by Mentifex
The Netizen "Keyboard Cowboy" has yesterday launched
http://groups.google.com/group/distrubuted-mindforth
for discussion of a distributed and parallel
representation of the Mind.Forth ideas.
Hello Arthur,
AFAIK you've written a version in JavaScript as well.
Is there's an online demo hosted?
http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/AiMind.html
http://mentifex.virtualentity.com/userman.html
<http://www.nothingisreal.com/mentifex_faq.html>


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Mentifex
2010-03-09 22:22:21 UTC
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 >> AFAIK you've written a version in JavaScript as well.
 >> Is there an online demo hosted?
 >
 > http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/AiMind.html
 >
 > http://mentifex.virtualentity.com/userman.html
AiMind.html gives different results depending on the browser.
Input             | Firefox            | Google Chrome
------------------+--------------------+------------------
mice eat cats
    | YOU WHAT           | CATS EAT
The next three lines are part of the built-in
http://code.google.com/p/mindforth/wiki/EnBoot
                   | I HELP KIDS        |
                   | KIDS MAKE ROBOTS   |
                   | ROBOTS NEED ME     |
                   | I WHAT             |
                   | I AM ANDRU         |
http://code.google.com/p/mindforth/wiki/EnArticle
                   | YOU ARE THE YOU    |
                   | I AM ANDRU         |
                   | ANDRU AM THE ANDRU |
                   | I HELP KIDS        |
                   | KIDS ARE THE KIDS  |
                   | ...                |
It seems, in Google Chrome the program gets into a
stable state that has something to do with the input.
The tutorial AiMind.html software is coded in JavaScript
expressly for Microsoft Internet Explorer (MSIE). Any
thinking of the AI in Google Chrome is accidental.
In Firefox, AiMind.html ignores the input.
After failure with Netscape Navigator in 2001,
no further attempt was made for cross-browser
compatibility. (MSIE AI is difficult enough :-)
Regards,
Joachim
The Mentifex AI Mind in both Forth and JavaScript
uses "spreading activation" among concepts to
generate senetences of linguistic thought.

Sometimes (as now) the AI in Forth is developmentally
ahead of the AI in JavaScript, and sometimes the
JavaScript version is more advanced. Since the AI
started working properly in early 2008, it has been
easier to code new mind-module algorithms in
low-level Forth and then to re-implement them
in JavaScript for Microsoft Internet Explorer.

In 2009 and 2010, the main new work has been
on making the AI Mind capable of engaging in
self-referential thought. For instance, MindForth
is now able to answer questions in the format
of "what do X (verb)" or "what do X do?".

Arthur
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Mentifex
2010-03-12 00:08:20 UTC
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Post by Mentifex
The Mentifex AI Mind in both Forth and JavaScript
uses "spreading activation" among concepts to
generate sentences of linguistic thought.
To me it seems to be clear that the process of
propagating instances of concepts is related to
thinking, or _is_ actually thinking.
In MindForth and in the JavaScript AiMind.html,
a concept in the Psi array is implemented in such
a way as to represent a long neuronal fiber holding
a concept by associatively tagging all knowledge
comprising the concept.

Das heisst, jeder Begriff besteht in einem neuronalen
Faden, und dieser Faden ist Mitglied einer Gruppe von
identischen Faeden, damit der Begriff nicht ausstirbt,
wenn eine einzige Gehirnzelle ausstirbt.

That is, each concept-fiber is part of a ganged
network of identical concept-fibers, redundantly
present so as to strengthen the resident concept.

Associative signals propagate from a noun concept-
fiber to a verb concept-fiber to an object fiber.
After a new thought is generated, the ReEntry

http://code.google.com/p/mindforth/wiki/ReEntry

module feeds the output thought back into the

http://code.google.com/p/mindforth/wiki/MindGrid

as a new nexus of associations among concepts.
In simple recall of factual knowledge, the new
thought is not different from similar old thoughts.

The point here is that the concepts do not propagate.
Only signals from concept to concept propagate.
But the success
will highly depend on the quality of the inferences.
http://code.google.com/p/mindforth/wiki/InFerence
is still a far-off goal for MindForth, because
self-referential knowledge must be implemented
before the AI may infer new knowledge from old.
- Is meaning maintained, weakened or changed at
a transition from one concept to another?
The meaning of, say, a verb is contained in the
associations which the verb makes "backwards" to
subject-concepts and "forwards" to object-concepts.

In a sentence like "Cats eat fish", the concept
of "eat" takes on meaning as more subjects and
more objects become embedded in the AiMind grid.

If robotic vision is added to the MindGrid,
recognition of visible entities fleshes out
the meaning of "eat" to include visible actions.

Usually meaning is maintained in a new thought,
especially in response to a factual query.
If a human user were to say, "My hobby eats
my money," the idea might be a new meaning.
- If there are many successors possible, which
of them are chosen?
MindForth searches backwards in time for the
most recent instances of the concepts under
discussion. The need for cumulative activation
to flush out an idea may cause extensive search.
Since there are no "successors," but only
linkages that succeed a thought or a query,
successors are not chosen in MindForth.
- When are inference threads terminated?
Although the Mentifex AI has not yet achieved

http://code.google.com/p/mindforth/wiki/InFerence

the AI Mind does engage in a

http://code.google.com/p/mindforth/wiki/MeanderingChain

of thought, which is terminated only when the
associative chain fails to find related concepts.
A question about your AI system: how do you
store knowledge? Is there a declarative database,
say, in XML or something text-based?
Knowledge in the AI Mind is stored as associative
tags linking all the concepts in a particular
idea or assertion. MindForth and AiMind.html
"comprehend" an input of new knowledge by
assigning the discernible relationships
in the idea to the constituent concepts
in the MindGrid. If a human input contains
a previously unknown word, the AiMind
creates a new concept of the unknown word.

There is not "a declarative database,"
but rather a primitive neural network
capable of adding new elements (concepts),
propagating signals from concept to concept,
and of generating thoughts under the control
of the EnCog module as a superstructure.
Regards,
Joachim
Thank you for these opportunities to enlarge
on how the artificial intelligence works.
Yesterday I received a small (US $22.00)
royalty check for the AI4U textbook, and
so I feel a duty to continue working on
the AI for the sake of AI4U purchasers.

Sincerely,

Arthur T. Murray
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