Need porting of German AI into Java

[Mentifex]

The Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) at
http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/mindforth.txt
has been re-recreated in the German language at
http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/DeKi.txt
and needs porting into the Java language.

If it exists, presumably in the language
of the designer choice, why does it need
porting?
  BugBear

Wotan Supercomputer Strong AI in 64-bit Linux iForth
needs porting into Java and other mainstream languages
for the sake of AI evolution and The Singularity.

Mentifex (Arthur)

[Richard Owlett]

[massive *SNIP*]
Wotan Supercomputer Strong AI in 64-bit Linux iForth
needs porting into Java and other mainstream languages
for the sake of AI evolution and The Singularity.
Mentifex (Arthur)

The information content of that sentence is extremely close
to 0.

My I suggest that you run it by 10 of your friends who are
not involved with your AI project.
Ask them to paraphrase it.
Take that group of ten sentences and give them to a
different set of ten friends.
Ask each of those friends to convey the information they
received in a SINGLE sentence.

Do any of those sentences convey the same information as
what you wrote?

P.S. - before retirement I often found myself as a
"translator" between "disciplines". Interesting - as in old
curse "may you live in interesting times" ;/

Signed: Professional Nitpicker {AKA QA/QC/Acceptance
Inspector ;}

[markspace]

Post by Mentifex
Wotan Supercomputer Strong AI in 64-bit Linux iForth
needs porting into Java and other mainstream languages
for the sake of AI evolution and The Singularity.

The information content of that sentence is extremely close to 0.

Huh. I wonder if someone is testing out an AI on *us*?

[Patricia Shanahan]

Post by markspace

Post by Mentifex
Wotan Supercomputer Strong AI in 64-bit Linux iForth
needs porting into Java and other mainstream languages
for the sake of AI evolution and The Singularity.

The information content of that sentence is extremely close to 0.

Huh. I wonder if someone is testing out an AI on *us*?

It does seem strange. I would have thought Forth would be a good choice
of language for some types of AI, and any porting would be to other
versions of Forth, not to such a very different language as Java.

Patricia

[Elizabeth D. Rather]

Post by Patricia Shanahan

Post by markspace

Post by Mentifex
Wotan Supercomputer Strong AI in 64-bit Linux iForth
needs porting into Java and other mainstream languages
for the sake of AI evolution and The Singularity.

The information content of that sentence is extremely close to 0.

Huh. I wonder if someone is testing out an AI on *us*?

It does seem strange. I would have thought Forth would be a good choice
of language for some types of AI, and any porting would be to other
versions of Forth, not to such a very different language as Java.

Folks, this is Mentifex. We're used to low information content.

Cheers,
Elizabeth
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"Forth-based products and Services for real-time
applications since 1973."
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[Arne Vajhøj]

Post by Elizabeth D. Rather

Post by Patricia Shanahan

Post by markspace

Post by Mentifex
Wotan Supercomputer Strong AI in 64-bit Linux iForth
needs porting into Java and other mainstream languages
for the sake of AI evolution and The Singularity.

The information content of that sentence is extremely close to 0.

Huh. I wonder if someone is testing out an AI on *us*?

It does seem strange. I would have thought Forth would be a good choice
of language for some types of AI, and any porting would be to other
versions of Forth, not to such a very different language as Java.

Folks, this is Mentifex. We're used to low information content.

This:
http://www.nothingisreal.com/mentifex_faq.html
?

Arne

[Elizabeth D. Rather]

Post by Arne Vajhøj

Post by Elizabeth D. Rather

Post by Patricia Shanahan

Post by markspace

Post by Mentifex
Wotan Supercomputer Strong AI in 64-bit Linux iForth
needs porting into Java and other mainstream languages
for the sake of AI evolution and The Singularity.

The information content of that sentence is extremely close to 0.

Huh. I wonder if someone is testing out an AI on *us*?

It does seem strange. I would have thought Forth would be a good choice
of language for some types of AI, and any porting would be to other
versions of Forth, not to such a very different language as Java.

Folks, this is Mentifex. We're used to low information content.

http://www.nothingisreal.com/mentifex_faq.html
?
Arne

Yes.
--
==================================================
Elizabeth D. Rather (US & Canada) 800-55-FORTH
FORTH Inc. +1 310.999.6784
5959 West Century Blvd. Suite 700
Los Angeles, CA 90045
http://www.forth.com

"Forth-based products and Services for real-time
applications since 1973."
==================================================

[Andy Valencia]

Post by Patricia Shanahan
It does seem strange. I would have thought Forth would be a good choice
of language for some types of AI, and any porting would be to other
versions of Forth, not to such a very different language as Java.

I tried to use Forth in my own AI development. I tried really,
really hard. But it just leaves too much "cockpit workload" when
the actual application of itself requires more brain cells than I have.
What strengths Forth still posesses WRT the rest of the world are
down near embedded apps, not up in high level ones. IMHO.

Andy

[Hugh Aguilar]

Post by Andy Valencia
What strengths Forth still posesses WRT the rest of the world are
down near embedded apps, not up in high level ones.  IMHO.

I agree.

[Mentifex]

Post by Hugh Aguilar

Post by Andy Valencia
What strengths Forth still posesses WRT the rest of the world are
down near embedded apps, not up in high level ones.  IMHO.

I agree.

Yes, but those "embedded apps" could be part of the
robotic embodiment of the MindForth AI in English or
of the Wotan 64-bit Linux Supercomputer AI in German.

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[Andy Valencia]

Post by Mentifex

Post by Andy Valencia
What strengths Forth still posesses WRT the rest of the world are
down near embedded apps, not up in high level ones. =A0IMHO.

Yes, but those "embedded apps" could be part of the
robotic embodiment of the MindForth AI in English or
of the Wotan 64-bit Linux Supercomputer AI in German.

You know, I'd have killfile'ed you a long time ago, but you actually write
code as a part of your project. I really value people who get their hands
dirty in the pursuit of their ideas.

Andy Valencia
Home page: http://www.vsta.org/andy/
To contact me: http://www.vsta.org/contact/andy.html

[Chris Uppal]

Post by Andy Valencia

Post by Patricia Shanahan
It does seem strange. I would have thought Forth would be a good choice
of language for some types of AI, and any porting would be to other
versions of Forth, not to such a very different language as Java.

I tried to use Forth in my own AI development. I tried really,
really hard. But it just leaves too much "cockpit workload" when
the actual application of itself requires more brain cells than I have.

Have you tried AI in Java ? (Serious question)

-- chris

[Andy Valencia]

Post by Chris Uppal
Have you tried AI in Java ? (Serious question)

I've done some large projects in Java, and found Java development to
be more like rigid old Fortran/C edit-compile-run development, even
with an IDE plus debugger. Python's easily the best fit.

Andy Valencia
Home page: http://www.vsta.org/andy/
To contact me: http://www.vsta.org/contact/andy.html

[Chris Uppal]

Post by Andy Valencia

Post by Chris Uppal
Have you tried AI in Java ? (Serious question)

I've done some large projects in Java, and found Java development to
be more like rigid old Fortran/C edit-compile-run development, even
with an IDE plus debugger. Python's easily the best fit.

Thanks.

Which is more-or-less what I would have expected myself. So I share Patricia's
surprise that someone would be "porting" AI from Forth to /Java/. Leaving it
in Forth (or, as I suppose you would say, "/even/ leaving it in Forth") would
be better ;-)

[By the way, for the c.l.f-ers in reading this. I haven't used Forth enough
myself to have any opinion at all on how well it would compete with -- say --
Lisp or Python for AI]

-- chris

[Arne Vajhøj]

Post by Andy Valencia

Post by Chris Uppal
Have you tried AI in Java ? (Serious question)

I've done some large projects in Java, and found Java development to
be more like rigid old Fortran/C edit-compile-run development, even
with an IDE plus debugger. Python's easily the best fit.

If you do not like a compile phase then Java is not
a language for you.

Arne